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Vehicle Sound and Effects Recording

In a message dated 1/8/05 7:57:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Wxxxx05 writes:

Hi
 
I'm about to start recording a series of vehicle engine sounds for my website. Is there any advice that you can give me for this please? I'm thinking about a Sony TCD-D7 recorder but have no idea which microphone to use and whether I am better with this or, say, a laptop computer. I would have thought that DAT tape is better than minidisk because of there being less opportunity for the recorder to jump when clipped into a car. It would also be easy-ish to set something up so that the owner of the vehicle can be lent a machine that's ready to record the sounds themselves.
 
I'm a complete novice at recording but figure that this should be relatively easy because I'm not looking for professional recording studio quality sound. Just something that can be downloaded from the website.
 
Kind regards
 
Mick
 
Mick Sxxxx
wxxxxxxxx05@aol.com


Hello Mick,

Thank you for supplying many important requirements for your project. You may need to elaborate a bit more on specific project details for me to make most appropriate and cost effective suggestions. 
 
A properly configured DSM mic system will make recording most any sound much easier, and of much higher quality that any other mic system on the market.  While many professional sound companies have used these for over a decade for exactly the situations presented below, DSM systems (especially used as suggested) easily allow first-time amateurs get exactly the sounds they want recorded most every time  DSM recording samples at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/mp3.htm
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PROJECT REQUIREMENTS:
There are many different point-of-view microphone placement positions and types of vehicles:
 
INSIDE: the passenger/driver cabin; the inside the engine compartment of stationary and/or moving vehicle.
 
OUTSIDE:  vehicle exterior being positioned very close to being in distant far field; and mics directly attached to outside of stationary and/or moving vehicle
 
LOUDNESS:
very quiet luxury to extremely loud street/racing engine types.  
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If you have an extensive, well funded project that will eventually record using ALL TYPES of mic positions, inside/outside the vehicle, and handle all loudness ranges, a most complete recording system with several types of DSM mics, HRTF baffle, and external preamplifier is mostly required. 

This extensive package will connect into LINE level on most any type of portable deck. Purchasing minimum system and then (when budget allows) later adding capability as needed is suggested.
 
However, more specific requirements is for recording inside/outside vehicles is with (mostly) headworn windscreen mic that records EXACTLY the wearer's heard experience (point of view) in all situations, and used without baffling inside/outside the vehicle for unique sound 'effects' recording.

There is NOTHING WRONG with 'effects sounds' as these become important 'elements' in custom sound designs when post processed and/or mixed with other sounds/effects.

The limitation of 'effects' sounds is the listener has little chance of having a most involving enjoyable playback experience with these types of 'artificially recorded, out of context' and 'non-ambient' sounds, at least without much effort in post process to make them sound a bit more real.

Compare DSM vehicle recordings with any effects vehicle sound and you'll immeditately get the difference between DSM baffled (coherent), and the usual artificially (out-of-context/incoherent) mic'd sound.

SYSTEM SUGGESTION:
An example of a lower cost minimum, but still very versatile mic system that should fit most your requirements, but not for the extremes range is DSM-6S/M mic + WHB/N windscreen + PA-3SX preamplifier for $1150.  This will work into ANY small portable with ministereo LINE input jack and allow easy very good quality recording in most common situations.   
 
MIC MOUNTING: While the easiest and consistently realistic sounds are recorded with DSM mic being HEADWORN or LiteGUY baffled, placing some kind of baffle/barrier between the mic.  While you can use the DSM mic any way you want for superior wide-frequency bandwidth pickup, stereo-surround image or virtual reality recording quality is most inconsistent to totally nonexistent in non-HRTF baffled configuration. 
 
For non-HRTF baffle situations, baffling with something (small fabric covered lap-pillow, bound-up cotton towel, etc.) helps keep some of the important stereo image qualities that are immediately lost without true HRTF baffling where the recording becomes more or less an 'effects' sound. 
 
See Tips/FAQ pages for other considerations:http://www.sonicstudios.com/tips.htm
 
Best recorders for this are  Sony PCM-M1 DAT (still available in some places), or get on long waiting list for Edirol R1 (CF storage) as discussed on my site on the 'Deck Choice' section in the FAQ PAGES
 
Ship/Pay options: http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm
 
Let me know if initial suggestions make good sense and additional project considerations.

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo

Subject: Tap into your expertise (Hummingbird Recording)


In a message dated 12/22/04 9:11:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, cmxxx@sbcglobal.net writes:

Leonard,
 
I read through your FAQ on the Sonic Studios website and found it very helpful and informative.  I have a specific challenge I'm trying to address, and did not see any of the questions that were directly applicable to my challenge.  I'm doing a research project where I need to record and slow down hummingbird calls.  I'd ultimately love to get these into digital format to work with them.  I'm very technical from the computer perspective, but have no audio background.  Obviously field portability is of high importance, and for me money is less of a factor.
 
Really appreciate your help!
 
Thanks,
 
Chris

 
 
Hello Chris,


Your budget, expected working distances (headworn mic or baffled mic on tripod stand at some distance), and recording quality requirements (16bit/44.1K verses 24bit/96K) determine system configuration that best fits your resources and needs.  The mic choice and how this is being used is >90% of the equation for resulting recording quality.  DSM-1S/H high sensitivity/low noise model seems best choice for your interests. Preamplifier/Deck choice is less important for recording quality, but is more or less important for logistical issues.
 
Suggest considering practical working mic recording positions for recording the hummingbirds.  If you expect to mostly record nature and wildlife subjects not easily deterred by a quiet human presence at <25 foot distances, the windscreened headworn DSM mic should be sufficient. 
 
Choosing 16 bit/44.1K standard definition audio with minimum versatility verses 24bit/88.1K-192K high definition recording system with greatest versatility makes a big difference in headworn system cost.  Versatility is expanded by use of external mic preamplifier with greater bandwidth and more full quality gain selections than available from internal deck preamps.

*Estimated total cost includes portable recorders purchased at competitive prices elsewhere.

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LOWEST COSTING HEADWORN SYSTEM:
16bit/44.1K good quality/bandwidth, minimum versatility system with real-time digital audio interface to SPDIF coaxial input soundcard:
DSM-1S/H + WHB/N + *PCM-M1 DAT + MOD-2 upgrade + SPDIF patch DAT interface = ~ Total $2000

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MAXIMUM RECORDING QUALITY SYSTEM (headworn version) uses Fostex *FR-2 recorder with fast storage or direct USB transfer costing ~$3400 for total system:
DSM-1S/H                        $650 USD            High Sensitivity/Low Noise
WHB/N                                $250                    Headworn windscreen accessory  
PA-24NJ-X                        $1200                  Dual XLR balanced LINE output Preamp (up to 30' cable lengths)

The above system should work very well using Fostex FR-2 deck going in LINE input.  As mentioned, the Fostex FR-2 deck you need to purchase elsewhere for <$1000.  FR-2 records 24bit/96K high definition wide bandwidth audio to CF or micro-HDrive storage, and has direct USB connection to computer for fast transference of recordings, or the CF/micro-HD storage can be removed from the recorder and inserted directly into computer via CF or PCMCIA cardbus interface.

DSM-1S series mics, PA-24NJ-X, and Fostex FR-2 have very good ultrasonic frequency response beyond 40,000 cycles frequency bandwidth, so this should allow complete recording of very high frequency bird sounds, especially if most subjects are generally within a 120 degrees (width of sound sources of importance) of front (facing) DSM mic for best highest frequency reception. 
 
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INCREASING MIC POSITION DISTANCES:

Recording at moderate < 30 foot distance with remote mic-on-stand uses the FR-2 system + LiteGUY + Tripod stand for ~$4500 total cost. 
If you intend or desire to NOT personally head wear the mic (at least every time), but instead desire to set the microphone up on a folding tripod stand (suggest ~$200 costing Beyer ST352 mic stand as best design) at <30 foot distance from the deck, suggest getting the LiteGUY-WHB ($850 USD) baffle that mounts the WHB/N mic for this purpose.

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Very remote distance (>30'-500') mic positioned system cost is ~$5900 with 200 foot S-VHS to terminated Dual XLR extension cable. 
If you expect greater (>30') LiteGUY baffled mic-to-recorder distances for this project, substitute the PA-24NJ-X preamplifier for the PA-24NJ-V ($2400) model that has virtually unlimited cable length driving ability using terminated S-VHS type cable that is adaptable to any recorder's LINE level input connector type.  This will allow setting up the mic in very distant remote field locations to record wildlife that is easily disturbed by moderately close human presence.

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If you NEVER intend to HEADWEAR this microphone, but ALWAYS want 'stand-alone' recording ability using HRTF LiteGUY baffle, then substitute the WHB/N headband with the LiteGUY-W ($900) baffle. This model of LiteGUY HRTF baffle has appropriate choice DSM mic model that is windscreened and permanently mounted to the LiteGUY baffle for always recording using mic mounted on stand or boom.
 

Ship/Pay options at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm
 

Please let me know if any of the suggested systems is a good fit for you, and/or any additional questions. 


 

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard (& Debbie) Lombardo
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In a message dated 12/24/01 5:05:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, gxxxxxxxxxe@mindspring.com writes:

<< Subj: Recording my piano.
Date: 12/24/01 5:05:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: gxxxxxxxx@mindspring.com (Gxxxxxxl T. Dxxxxx Fxxxxxx)
To: GuySonic@aol.com

Hello,

I am very much interested in making good recordings of my piano. I would like to end up with GOOD MP3 files, as you have done at your website (very nice, by the way).

Here is the best I've been able to come up with. It's obviously not very good. (The piano does not sound like this.)

http://gxxxxplayerpianos.org/music/Exxx_Kxxxx_Nxxxxxxxxx_23.mp3

My piano is about 50 feet from my PC and I'm running a microphone wire that distance.

I would like to record directly to a tape recorder, then playback the recorder/player into my PC.

I would like to spend less than $700 if that is possible.

What would you recommend?

Thank you,

Gabe
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http://www.gxxxxxxxxxrpianos.org
http://www.mindspring.com/~gxxxxxxxxx/player.htm
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Hello Gabe,

Thank you for the kind comments about the site's MP3 recordings and hope you and loved ones are sharing Holiday Joy at this time of year.

As you and a few others now seem to realize, recording the way a piano actually sounds (like hearing it live) involves a special stereo microphone/method. The DSM method uses two very high quality miniature microphones Headworn or mounted on a LiteGUY HRTF baffle. The type of recorder you use is far less important than the microphone system so even a Sharp type MiniDISC is quite usable for making excellent quality recordings.

Lowest costing DSM microphone/deck system suitable for your needs is the match-spec discounted DSM-6/H ($400) + Sharp MT90 ($170) MiniDISC deck for $570 total cost.

Better system is like above, but substituting a DSM-6S/H at $500 for $670 system cost.

Best possible (Headworn) system is the DSM-6S/H ($500) + Sony PCM-M1 DAT deck ($850 w/MOD-2) costing over double the base system cost at $1350 total.
See DSM mic page at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm
See M1 deck review pages at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/d100rev.htm

Regardless of cost, any of these systems will satisfy the desire for making excellent real-piano sounding recordings when following the tips about using the Low REC range on MD; also a good tip to follow for DAT deck, but not nearly as critical.
See tips page at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/tips.htm

Recording without the need for someone wearing the DSM microphone requires an acoustic HRTF (acoustically accurate dummy head baffle) accessory. The LiteGUY ($750) HRTF baffle is the best available for this purpose and may be mic stand or boom mounted as shown on page: http://www.sonicstudios.com/liteguy.htm

NOTE: To allow direct digital output/input of recordings (into a computer soundcard) made on a portable DAT or MD deck requires either a Sony Toslink accessory cable (~$80 for M1 DAT) or the additional purchase of a standard AC powered MD non-portable deck with digital output ability ($100-$200) for playing MD discs into a computer soundcard with proper inputs. Line-Level Analog output is always available as a lower quality second choice output on either deck without need for special adapter or 2nd deck purchase.

Please let me know if one of these system suggestions meets your budget and requirements.

Payment/Shipping options are explained on page: http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard (& Debbie) Lombardo, Owners
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<< Subj:  Re: Concert Recording
Date: 9/12/98 12:15:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: (Ali)
To: GuySonic@aol.com

Hi Leonardo,
Thank you for the prompt response.  I want to record Tori Amos in concert.
The sound volume ranges from soft to pretty loud, although not as loud as a
heavy rock band.  Right now I'm using a cheap Aiwa walkman, but after
hearing what your mics and a DAT player can do, I want to upgrade.  I don't
think I can spend $800 on the Sony DAT player, so I'll probably go with the
MZ-R50.  The 74 min blanks are pretty cheap now if you buy in bulk;
Crutchfield offers a 10 pack for $30.  I do this as a hobby and I was a
little confused about the power supply needed for the mic.  Could you
elaborate on this:

"If you choose to begin with the MZ-R30 or R50, then powering the DSM mic
can
be done with very good results with the unmodified stock deck as an initial
cost savings."

Is it just an external battery pack for the mic or do you actually wire the
recorder to power the mic?  I really like the sound of your mics, but I
don't have a lot of money to spend.  How much would this cost (mic and power
source) and how long will it take for me to get it after placing an order?
Thank you very much,
Ali

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Hello again Ali,

Most all Sony recording portable MD, DAT, and Camcorders have a feature that supplies power to the microphone from the mic input jack.  Typically this power is quiet a bit short of operating the DSM for acceptable performance, but this power available varies widely with the model of deck.

The MZ-R30/50 models have the most power available of any tested model so far and could be used without MOD-2 internal circuit upgrade or PA-6 external powering adapter with very good results.  I suggest this to keep within your budget and because the MOD-2 or PA-6xx is more an option with these particular models for a bit better performance or bass control from the DSM. 

The PA-6xx adapters have an output plug to plug into the deck that's identical to the plug on the mics and have a jack to connect to the mic plug; with these options, nothing is permanently wired and disconnects or connects quickly. 

Right now, only one picture is shown of a PA-6LC3 adapter on page   http://www.sonicstudios.com/access.htm  however, they all look identical.


With the Sony MD,  external powering or deck upgrade is almost not needed as with other models of Sony decks with the Plug-in-Power feature.  So go without it for awhile and consider either the internal upgrade to your MD deck (most convenient) or using a powering adapter (perhaps learning to need a PA model with excessive Bass control switch) only after recording some typical venues.

DSM-6S/L would be a good match to the MZ-R30 or 50 model and cost $425 (Reg. $450)  MZ-R50 is priced about $350, so your total system cost is $775.  This leaves funds for buying blank discs.

DSM-6S/L is in stock and can be shipped immediately when you're ready.  See the  http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm  page for ordering details and options.  You must phone in the order here, but info on this page will allow you to know your best shipping choices and prepare for supplying ship to location for FedEx delivery.


Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo

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Subj: Re: WHB + DSM

In a message dated 12/18/01 5:40:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nickweeb writes:

<< Subj: WHB + DSM
Date: 12/18/01 5:40:25 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: Nickxxxxxxx
To: GuySonic

Hi

I'm interested in the WHB + DSM microphone combination. I have a Sony TCD-D7 DAT recorder.

I would like to use the mics for recording outdoor ambient sounds - nature and urban sounds.

How are the microphones powered?

What is the price of the combination? I am in the UK.

Thanks for your help.

Nick Wxxxx

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Hello Nick,

Thank you for requesting information about a DSM recording system and for providing good background on your interests and DAT deck model.

The DSM-1S/M ($550 USD) is an excellent hi-gain/lo-noise model choice (in stock) if mostly recording lower than 108 dB SPL encountered in nature and non-loud factory industrial urban ambiance.

NOTE: Best results are always when the DAT is used in the MANUAL LOW or -20 dB ATTN MIC input setting, even if Level set knob is at Max #10 for barely getting adequate -20 to good -12 dB VU readings. See tips page at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/tips.htm

However, if much louder source ambient/effects/music recording (110 to 122 dB SPL) is also of main interest, then the DSM-6S/EH or /H ($600 or $500) may be a better choice, but these models are NOT so good for lowest noise spoken word and quiet background nature recording.

See DSM mic page at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm

The WHB/N ($190 USD) is essential for doing outdoors recordings and provides protection from Sun/Rain/Wind interference. Best to order DSM model with WHB/N together as one-piece premounted assembly for best performance and consistent stereo image.

The stock D7 DAT will not power the DSM microphone well enough so an in-series PA-6LC2 ($175) model is suggested for this function and this model adapter also has an 85 cycle (On/Off switchable) bass filter for lowering the ever-present rumble of auto traffic/or very strong wind sound. The filter helps to provide a cleaner recording of urban/rural ambient where >85 cycles mid to upper audio frequency range is of prime interest.

See DSM mic powering page at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/pa_x.htm

System cost summary:

DSM-1S/M . . . . . $550
WHB/N . . . . . . . $190
PA-6LC2 . . . . . . $175
EMS ship . . . . . $ 25 (See Overseas Ordering section on page: http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm )
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TOTAL $940 USD payment sent with your shipping address/tel# to:

Sonic Studios
1311 Sunny Court
Sutherlin, OR 97479 USA

 

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard (& Debbie) Lombardo, Owners
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<< Subj:  Microphone purchase - pre-order questions
Date: 10/16/98 4:20:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: (Jamie )
To: guysonic@aol.com

Dear Leonard & Debbie,

I ran across your web site, and after comparing your products with
similar ones I've decided to take the plunge with you guys. I just
wanted to give you a little background about me and what I hope to get
out of recording, as well as ask you a few questions and see which
microphones you would recommend for me.

I am strictly a hobbyist, I have a strong interest and get great
enjoyment out of manipulating sounds and creating samples on my
computer, and I want to take the next step of actually recording my own
sounds and effects, and sounds of nature. I would also like to make
spoken word type recordings of friends and family members to preserve
memories. I really have no desire to record at concerts, although I will
probably record the sounds of an antique music box, and possible some
acoustic guitar. The ultimate destination for all my recordings would
either be computer .WAV files, or CD-R discs. I don't think any of these
goals are particularly demanding, but I am a bit of a perfectionist in
my hobbies, which is why I've already purchased a Sony PCM-M1 DAT
recorder and equipped my computer with a Turtle Beach MultiSound
Monterey sound card with an S/PDIF I/O board in preparation for going to
this next level. I left the microphone purchase for the last because I
know that just as speakers are the most important link in sound
reproduction, microphones are the most important for sound recording.

Now on to my questions. First of all, from looking at your DSM chart, I
see that you recommend the DSM-1/x series for the types of recording I'm
most interested in. I am wondering how strict your max SPL ratings are,
and what happens if I exceed them? Particularly, if I buy the DSM-1/L
(for instance) and try to use them at an air show, would it physically
damage them or just not make a clean recording?

REPLY: No damage, just probable overload of either the Mic and/or the deck with mostly the louder lower frequency portions of the Fly-By sounds.  Going in Line input would eliminate deck overloads (with using a necessary separate PA mic powering module) if VU signal levels are adequate after the 20 DB less gain afforded by that input.  The DSM-6S/EH is more versatile for handling greater SPL, but for mostly nature, moderate level EFX,  and conversation recording performance with the least possible mic/deck noise, the DSM-1 models does have my preference. Either one will give you excellent results for acoustic quitar type levels within 1-2 meters distance and in general terms .......... it's more a question on how versatile you need your 'only' mic to be.

Do you think it would make a tangible difference in my applications if I
were to go for the upgraded PRO+ level for extra careful matching of the
channels? I will be processing all my recordings through the computer
and I can alter the levels of each channel manually, using the program
Cool Edit Pro. If I get a non-signature set of microphones, would they
be consistently mismatched in such a way that I could apply a level
increase or reduction identically for each recording?

REPLY:  DSM-x(S) grade is more than better matched at just one frequency.  The 'PRO' grade deals with the entire bandwidth where stereo imaging of complex acoustic sources can be audibly better.  This characteristic is not easily DAW normalized because it's frequency variable.  I am discounting some of the PRO grades by as much as $100 from listed prices right now, so you should consider getting the better grade if still affordable.

Finally, what sort of sensitivity do I need to capture the lowest sounds
I'm after? I'm talking about bird calls, or someone talking in a quiet
room from 10' away or so. I think I'm leaning toward the DSM-1/L model,
which I think would give me the right level range, but what do you
think?

Thanks a lot for your time, and I hope to place my order with you very
soon after I get a reply.

Jamie
 
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Hello Jamie,

Thank you for expressing interest in our unique recording products and providing details on equipment and requirements.

Having the M1 deck mic powering feature MOD-2 ($85) upgraded is advisable for the best utilization of deck/microphone and for the most reliable and compact system. 

If best low noise performance is important for mostly recording natural sounds of birds, nature, and human vocal, I'd go with the DSM-1S/M or L for the most satisfying low noise reach for these sources. 

Later, you might expand your interests to much louder sources where one of the DSM-6S/M or H microphones would be more appropriate.

The DSM-6S/EH would be the choice for having just one most versatile microphone that would be quite adequate with moderately close held conversation especially when within an average size reflective room, acoustic instrument sounds of quitar, piano, and choral; also allowing an excellent range of EFX recording from soft to moderate loud sources.

You've got plenty of time to check out whatever seems a good fit, exchanging for full purchase credit to a more suitable model if found necessary.

BTW,  I've just finally taken the plunge into the DAW to CD world myself ......  For continuing support of various local musicians who desire to record/produce CD projects and for my own nature recordings of wildlife/EFX sounds at remote locations ......... where I can actually produce mastered CDs via laptop portable system or also use a second Tower-Based DAW in the office. 

Technology can be really fun if money and time were no object to expressing and realizing creative urges.

Let me know of any other considerations by phone or E-mail anytime.

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
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<< Subj: Microphone for DAT Effect Recording
Date: 12/5/01 2:43:14 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: mxxxxxn@yahoo.com (Mxxxxxxxl Bxxxxn)
To: GuySonic@aol.com

I'm looking for a microphone to just record ambiance
and sound effects, such as a train in the distance to
use in a film.

COMMENT: Most sound designers who do this kind of work use DSM-6S/EH or /H models for this ($600 or $500); best when used mounted with WHB windscreen headband. See DSM mic page/Chart at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm

I bought a TCD-D8 and had a radioshack
condenser mic w/ a XLR to a stereo mini jack plugged
into my D8. All i recieved was a left channel. Do I
need two stereo mics plugged in at the same time to
get L/R channels?

COMMENT: Use M-XLR-F1.5 $35) adapter for getting both channels (safely) with a single XLR mono type mic; adapters shown on page http://www.sonicstudios.com/access.htm

I'm obviously new to this and thought I could use a TCD-8 or PCM-M1 to do dialougue
for a 16mm film and then bring it in and synch it up.


Can you help me out or offer a product that you sell so I can get stereo sound? I really need a shotgun
mic to place on a boom..... Thanks for your time.



Michael

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Hello Michael,

Many film projects on a budget are addressing real-time sound recording in stereo. This may actually be a better choice for stereo sound quality reasons.

As you may know, a MONO shotgun or cardioid directional mic (with windscreen) mounted on a fishpole boom or body mounted lapel mono mics on the talent (RADIO TRANSMITTED) is the usual for capturing close-up dialog of up to 3 people. This is most practical when only a small or tightly spaced group is in the scene. These types of recording methods records a fairly low quality but adequate for dialog mono sound; but, it is often replaced with sound booth sync dialog and cataloged or foley acted sound effects in post.

Mostly, scene dialog is usually not mic'd with stereo (cardioid pair or single stereo shotgun) mics because aiming is often too critical and stereo image from these mics is very inconsistent. Mono is more consistent for voice sync or post production edit mix purposes.

However, some low budget projects do record the scene in real time using an ambient stereo microphone such as the DSM-1S/M ($550) with WHB ($170-$190). This model of DSM microphone is a low noise, high gain model for mostly dialog and low level ambient recording. Headwearing the DSM mic and using a Sony DAT or Sharp MD will record EXACTLY (virtual reality surround sound stereo) what the person wearing the mic is hearing at any chosen position within the shoot.

For getting more reach, the same DSM microphone can be fishpole boom mounted (fishpole, adapters, & 3CCD DV camera shown is not included) with a LiteGUY baffle ($600; weighs ~2 Kilogram) to extend out to nearly 3 meters for capturing sound from any perspective within boom reach.

ALSO See HRTF LiteGUY baffle page at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/liteguy.htm
2 meter DSM Mic extension cable is most useful with boom work and is $35.

PCM-M1 DAT with mic powering MOD-2 is $850 (review at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/d100rev.htm ) or any Sharp MD can be used or is $170 with mic system; models shown at: Best Sharp MiniDISC Models Past and Present

Since you already have a D8, you might consider powering any DSM mic with the PA-6LC2 ($175) that also has an 85 cycle bass filter that is better used (switch this on) when recording dialog in urban area especially with automotive/industrial motor background noise.
See DSM mic powering and Bass filters at : http://www.sonicstudios.com/pa_x.htm

Payment/Shipping or Ordering options at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm

MP3 of dialog, music, SFX at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/mp3.htm

Let me know with a call or e-mail if these suggest make sense for your requirements.

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard (& Debbie) Lombardo, Owners
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Subj: Re: SS Mics

In a message dated 12/16/01 1:35:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, mike@disintegration.ca writes:

<< Subj: SS Mics
Date: 12/16/01 1:35:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: mike@dixxxxxxxxxxxn.ca (Mxxxx Pxxxxxxxx)
To: GuySonic@aol.com

Hi,

I have a couple questions about your mics and shipping I was hoping
you could help me with.
First, here's some info on my recording gear... I tape as a hobby,
mainly large rock shows, usually in stealth mode. I prefer to tape near
the speakers since it cuts down on the crowd noise. I have a Sony
PCM-M1 (no mod) which I plan to use for all taping. Presently, I use a
set of Sound Professional binaural mics, with a Sound Pro 9V battery box
with level control and switchable bass roll off filter.
I'm looking to get a new set of microphones, and I think your
DSM-6S/L would best fit my needs. What I'm wondering is if I my existing
battery box would be sufficient for powering the mics. I live in
Toronto, Canada, and with the Canadian dollar so low right now, if I do
need a new battery filter, i may have to wait a month or 2 to get it.
Since I live in canada, i'd rather not send my M1 through the
mail/customs for the mod.
For shipping/payment, I guess the easiest way would be for me to get
a money order from the post office in US funds - would you be able to
cash it if I get it from Canada Post ? I would likely send it via
courier. I would probably get the US Global Express shipping. The next
show I'll be taping is in the last week of January, so I'm hoping to get
new mics before that.
Thanks,
Mike

>>
Hello Mike,

The DSM-6S/L (or /EL) model seem the correct choice for your recording interests and style.

The powering box you now have would seem to work well enough judging from recent experience of a customer in Uruguay who also used a similar powering module that used a 9 volt battery. Because of this report (see customer feedback section of FAQ PAGES) I am fairly certain you can get good results using your existing module and going in MIC input at -20 dB ATTN setting on the DAT.

Send $450 USD + $20 shipping = $470 USD here with your mailing address/TEL # to:

Sonic Studios
1311 Sunny Court
Sutherlin, OR 97479

I will send a DSM-6S/EL model discounted to $450 to make sure you have best ability for good clean recording near the PA.

Let me know if this sounds good for your needs.

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard (& Debbie) Lombardo, Owners
----------------------------
Sonic Studios "17 Years of Making Audio History with DSM Stereo Microphones"
Featuring Patented Headworn or HRTF Baffled Gear for Field & Studio 3-D Ambient Sound/Music Recording
---------------------------------
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Microphone, Headphone, MD/DAT Portable Deck equipment reviews+Tips+MP3 sound files
USA FREE: 1-877-347-6642 1-(541)459-8839 TEL/ 42FAX
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<< Subj: Ordering DSM Microphones
Date: 12/6/01 10:01:31 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: Richard.xxxxxxxx@ed.gov (Lxxxxxxxxx, Rxxxxxxx)
To: GuySonic@aol.com ('GuySonic@aol.com')

Dear GuySonic;

I am about to order your DSM-6S mics, but want to be sure I'll be getting
the right ones. I am using a Sony MZ-R909 MiniDisc recorder (and
occasionally a Sharp 722) to record acoustic classical music concerts with
seats as close to the stage as possible. The source is soloist, string
quartet, classical size orchestra and, sometimes, modern size orchestra. My
current mics are the Sound Professional premium binaurals, with battery box,
that I attach to my wrists under (but not covered) by my jacket (yes this is
a stealth job). The results in places like the Haydnsaal in Austria, Queen
Elizabeth Hall in London and Jordan Hall and Symphony Hall in Boston have
been quite good - but - there is a certain brightness and lack of
transparency that, while not ruining the recordings, makes me think that
better microphones might eliminate. Also placement on the eye glasses might
make a significant improvement in the sound field (my one concern in this
regard is their visibility and my subsequent arrest and torture). These
recordings are primarily for listening to through stereo speakers.

So, please let me know what you feel would best fit my needs and equipment -
and what it will cost. I'll then place an order.

Thank you,

Richard Lxxxxxxxxx

richard_xxxxxxxxxx@ed.gov

>>

Hello Richard,

DSM-6S/H or /EH ($500 or $600) are good choices for this kind of recording. See DSM mic chart at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm

Headwearing DSM in some suggested fashion (that's comfortable for you) will record EXACTLY what you are hearing at the concert in full bandwidth surround sound that's excellent for speaker playback. See mic placement and concert recording tips at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/tips.htm

The Sony MD you now have will not power the DSM (correctly) and lacks effective mic REC Level settings. Better to use ANY Sharp MD deck (optimum quality in the LOW mic input range; see http://www.sonicstudios.com/tips.htm ) for best results.

DSM mic powering options include the PA-6 ($75) if ordering from overseas and intend to be using a locally acquired Sony portable DAT deck without MOD-2 upgrade; see DSM mic powering page at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/pa_x.htm

Payment/Shipping options are discussed on the ordering info page at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm

Acoustic instrument/orchestra MP3 recordings with DSM mics can be found at: http://www.sonicstudios.com/mp3.htm

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard (& Debbie) Lombardo, Owners
----------------------------


<< Subj: hey now
Date: 10/21/98 3:01:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From:
To: GuySonic

Dear Friends..

I am trying to gather some good info on some quesions i need answered.  I have a D-100, and I am looking for some info on mics.  I am interested in taping in clubs....but mostly in larger venues for phish, wsp, allmans, TOO, that sort of thing.  I want to keep it at around a tousand dollars....that would be mics and pre amp if i need one...if i ddin't need one i could put the whole grand into the mics...but whatever combination i need to keep it at around a grand..give or take...any info would be killer...

blue skies...
kevin >>

Hello Kevin,

Thank you for expressing interest in the DSM microphones and other accessories.

It seems you may have already visited my web site listed below(?) and would like further recommendations on suitable mics.

For your stated music interests and D100, the DSM-6S/L ($450) should be a good match. 

The D100 should also have the MOD-2 ($85) upgrade to allow a mic-powered-by-the-deck direct connected system when not needing bass reduction (see  MOD-2/PA-x Mic Powering Page  for more details about this). 

If the venue you're recording is not excessive in bass or bass-boom, then directly powering the mic with the D100 MOD-2 is the best system in terms of simplicity, reliability of fewer connections, and compact system size. 

For situations where bass is known or found to be excessive, the using one of the PA-6LCxx ($125-$200) powering adapters in series with the mic/deck is useful to deliver the clearest sounding recording and helps prevent the deck from overloading on the 'way-excessive' bass portions.  The bands you mentioned have not been known for way-excessive bass, but times are changing with increased bass and boom effects more popular and is easier to produce and abuse with the newer Hi-Power and efficient PA systems

D100 & M1 Preamplifier is quite good (no real advantage with common external mic preamp. when using DSM mics) and is usually used in the Mic Input (only), ........... Manual (not Limiter or AGC), ................ -20 db Atten (not 0 db) settings .......... for Rock type venues.

A suggested system is:

DSM-6S/L ............ $450
MOD-2 ................ $85  (service here is done within 48 hours, FedEx returned to you with DSM mic)
PA-6LC3(B) ............$200  (Optional 85/170/250 or "B" 45/85/175 bass filter)

Ordering info is also at:   http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm

For the MOD-2 upgrade on the D100, send "just the D100' deck in a sealed (from dust) plastic bag that's double boxed and/or double bubble wrapped within a single box to:

Sonic Studios
1311 Sunny Court
Sutherlin, OR 97479

Send Via FedEx Saver, UPS 3-Day Select, or other carrier that supplies a tracking number and insure for the deck's full value.

Include a Money Order or Cashiers Check payable to Sonic Studios with:

Your (for FedEx return shipping) weekday accessable address (or the address of a FedEx Hold office near you) and your daytime telephone number (or TEL# of any non-FedEx convenient address you've chosen for return shipping).

Looking forward to further questions and your complete satisfaction with all the equipment choices.


Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
-------------------------

<< Subj:  Your stealth mics
Date: 10/22/98 10:46:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Andrys
Reply-to: netcom.com
To: GuySonic@aol.com
CC: .net

A couple of us are trying to decide between Core-Sound basic binaurals
and yours.  I know Core Sound requires a battery in certain situations.

   We're musicians who like to study concerts after hearing them. But
stealth requirements apply :) even then.

   The interest is classical music in classical halls, from mid orchestra
and sometimes balcony.

   If yours does not require a battery for the same results, then that's
of interest for the extra price, though I think your cost is double.

   I have to look again to see if you have a bass attenuator (sp?)
switch, but thought I'd drop this note for now.

   Let us know what the differences really are in your mics.  I've seen
the newsgroup controversies, Core-Sound's testimonials, your reviews,
and am very confused at what to expect.

   Thanks.
   - Andrys
  >>
Hello Andrys,

Thank you for expressing interest in the DSM product.

For your purpose of classical acoustic, the DSM-6S/EH (special $450 for now; or perhaps H) model would seem a good fit.
(See  http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm )

Powering the DSM is best done from a Sony DAT with MOD-2 ($85) upgrade (see  MOD-2/PA-x Mic Powering Page )

For your purposes, you would not need bass reduction as this is appropriate for amplified Rock which is commonly much louder and boomy in the bass frequencies as compared with the rest of the program.

DSM as compared to the Core, Oade, and Sound Pro microphones:  With the other makes, You're getting less than your paying for in terms in recording performance, ease of using, sensitivity match to the deck for the requirement, and long term reliablity. 

Clarity of upper frequencies, handling noise immunity,  precision electrical/acoustic/mechanical design is guaranteed to far exceed lower (and very much higher) costing options; providing you with much higher value for money spent.

Please also advise on what model deck you're intending to use.

I'm sorry to say that some Core Sound testimonials and secret comparison files sent out directly (I have been sent these sent directly here by his propective customers) are not honestly what they appear to be .......... Caveat Emptor.


Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo

============================================

Subj: Re: DSM stereo  mike
Date: 10/23/98
To:

Hello Betty,

Thank you for your expressed interest and for providing details on your deck & recording  requirements.

I will attempt to answer most of your questions within your message copied below.

The MOD-2 upgrade on your D7 is most recommended and involves you sending just the deck quickly to me (dust protected in a plastic bag and double boxed or bubble wrapped) via overnight service with a Money Order for $530 (see details below).  This covers the cost of mic, deck mic powering upgrade, and overnight FedEx return to you so that you can most likely record your event on Oct 29.

Provide a FedEx return address + Tel number for a 'return to you' location.  If more convenient, call FedEx at 1-800-238-5355 .. press * key for customer service, and write down the complete FedEx office 'pickup/Hold location address that is found to be close to your weekday activities so that you can pick up there until 8 PM weekdays...... 2 pm Saturdays.  I still need an address for you and Telephone number + FedEx office address.

Because time is very short, FedEx office is open Saturday until 2 PM in most locations for shipping here to arrive on Monday.  Money Orders are availabe from many Grocery type outlets.  If you prefer, just send deck and I can send COD back to you for Money Order or Cashiers check payment at that time.  Ordering details is at  http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm

I know from experience that using the deck instead of the PA-6 is much more desirable for the recordists ease and consistant recording quality from  better reliability of fewer inter connections.  This is why I'm stressing this method with you sending in your deck quickly. 

However, to save you the effort of sending in your deck quickly, perhaps order the PA-6 for powering and I will take this back in trade for doing MOD-2 later +$25 extra to cover some refurbishment and FedEx shipping of the upgraded D7 deck back to you.


Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
----------------------------------------

<< Subj:  DSM stereo  mike
Date: 10/22/98 11:03:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time
To: GuySonic@aol.com

dear leonard and debbie

I've read the specs on the DSM stereo mike with great interest- i speak
of the one which can be mounted on eyeglasses etc.
i am a professional musician-composer, performer, teacher and have an
extensive audio library on cassettes, and now dat .
i have the following questions:
i use the TCD-D7   to record concerts and rehearsals.
the concert situations can be in chamber music halls  with fine
acoustics to large symphony halls with the usual environmental ambiance
of boomy bass...
(1) does this mike need a separate battery box or is the mike and
battery self-contained?
(2)  also is there a switchable bass roll-=off filter?
at times i would be recording from quite a far distance from the sound
source -
upper balconies of large concert halls etc.

REPLY:  I would suggest no bass reduction for this type of music.  Powering the microphone is best done with having the mic powering MOD-2 upgrade done to the D7.  The second option is with using the PA-6 (both options cost $75) ............ or PA-6LC2 $165 with on/off switchable bass rolloff filter

(see  MOD-2/PA-x Mic Powering Page  for details)

(3) does this mike pick up reasonably well at such far distances?

REPLY:  Records virtually the same as heard from any location.

(4) is the mike suitable for both small groups and large symphony
orchestras?


REPLY: DSM-6S/EH is excellent for both situations.   However, location is what's most important.  Being within 15 foot distance (or closer) to small groups is an advantage.  Balcony positions can be very good, but audience noises (coughing, seating squeaks, etc) is greater, and some reduction of the upper frequencies (by air absorption from distance) is to be expected with greater than 7 row seating in most halls

I record mostly acoustic music
(5) can this mike be used with camcorders?

REPLY: Yes, (with using the PA-6 power method), but most all camcorders are using ALC or AGC mechanisms that squash the dynamics of the music and have inferior sound recording performance in general.  Sound quality is a distant 3rd consideration to video quality in these machines.

(6) WHAT SETTING would I use on the dat machine - low or high
sensitivity.......  and is it possible for me to use automatic record level?

REPLY: Use Manual setting if you care about the expressed musical dynamics and mostly use the  (L) Low sensitivity (-20 db setting on other decks) for getting about -12 db VU peak readings unless more gain is needed to accomplish this.  Use (H) setting ONLY when Manual Level knob is at #10 full up and not able to get to -12 db VU for loudest passages. 
NOTE: D7 gives better sound if VU maximum peaks are set to be about -12 db..... don't adjust level for quieter passages, but leave at settings that correspond to only the loudest peaks.  (See  http://www.sonicstudios.com/tips.htm/ )

I am referring to the lower priced mike which I think you list at $450.
the DSM-1 or DSM-6

for my needs would the DSM-6 do?

REPLY:  The DSM-6S/EH is reduced to cost (for now) $450 and is only model (in stock) that would seem to fit your needs best.

thanks for your attention.
I'm attending some concerts next week - Oct. 29th on.
so I would like to order with enough time to receive the mike.
I can have it delivered at a local Fed Express if that's the most
efficient way.
Is it more costly that way than having it delivered to my post office?

Hope to hear from you soon,

betty W
  >>
========================

<< Subj:  DSM Microphones
Date: 11/1/98 9:57:29 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: (Günter)
To: GuySonic@aol.com

Kindly send me more information about your microphones. We have a professional recording Studio since 25 years, specialized in recording acoustical and ancient classical music - i.e. S/N ratio should be low.
Are your microphones worth a try in this regard?

Besides our Recording Studio (Allen & Heath/LYREC 16 track and DIGIDESIGN) 
we often record in Churches, concert rooms etc. and  we also use Jecklin OSS with Neumann KM 54

We are a distribution Company too, (Authorized from LINN, T&A and AUDIO PHYSIC etc.) selling audiophile records and CDs as well as Audiophile Equipment. We have good contacts to Radio Reporters - we recommend and deliver also their "on the road" equipment too.

Do you have any distributor in Austria or Germany , where we can make a test recording with your Microphones?
We will exhibit our products at MIDEM 1999 in Cannes - maybe we can meet you there too?

Best regards from Austria
Günter Menschik
music@domino.co.at

DOMINO Musik + Produktion +Vertrieb
Inh. Günter Menschik
A-5270 Mauerkirchen
Untermarkt 15 - Austria
T. ..43 7724 2158-11
F. ..43 7724 2158-22 + -23
  >>

Hello Günter,

Thank you for expressing interest in my DSM microphones.  A Web Site ( WWW.SONICSTUDIOS.COM , also listed below) has most all the information about the microphones and is most complete over any mailable information.

Many users of DSM microphones have very similar to your interests in acoustical recording and are making excellent quality live recordings for distribution.  A microphone model that should fit your needs is the DSM-6S/EH for a special price of $450 US dollars.  See  http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm for complete information on the DSM microphone models.

Using and Powering the DSM microphone is best done by an upgraded TCD-D100 or PCM-M1 Sony portable DAT.  However, if a new upgraded deck purchase from here is not practical or desired, then powering the microphones with a suitable PA-xx powering module is suggested.  Model PA-6 is the minimum powering module, but  the PA-10PFC ($225 USD) may be more appropriate for best quality DSM to XLR-3 preamplifier inputs for location recording.  More information on the DSM powering is found at:   MOD-2/PA-x Mic Powering Page

The Jecklin disk method has many problems in providing a truly coherent ambient stereo recording that holds up well for many recording and playback conditions.  The DSM headworn method will give the very best recordings and is the most economical and versatile method for consistent results, but two 'GUY' dummy head baffle models are also available for more 'conventional' type remote mic-stand mounted microphone uses.

Signal to Noise performance is very good for being an exceptionally accurate small full pressure type microphone.  Preamplifier and Mic noise is rarely a problem when the recording position is optimized and is fairly close in distance from the sound stage or instruments of interest.

Please let me know of other considerations.  General Ordering method is described at  http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm

Reviews about the DSM microphones are linked to the Home page and  found at:  Sonic Studios Review Page

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
=======================

<< Subject: Help: Portable DAT
From: (Daniel and Associates)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 19:06:33 -0500

Can anyone recommend a portable DAT for interviews and the recording of
general street activities (street musicians, sounds of the city, etc.) at
close range. Also, is a mini-disc a better bet for this type of recording
or will the mini-disc go the way of Beta video tapes? Finally, any
recommendations for microphones for the portable DAT/Mini-disc? Thanks in
advance. Take care.

Daniel
>>

Hello Daniel,

You've unfortunately asked the wrong group (or at least got the usual poor info response from those few regulars who posted a reply) for practical advise on field equipment.  This has been the story with this group of studio 'gurus' for quite some time.

My site has the information you desire about the microphones and recording equipment specifically for this purpose.  The TCD-D8 is a good deck, but the TCD-D100 is a better investment for the extra money spent for the a much improved recorder of exceptional recording quality with all the built-in features missing from the D8.  MiniDisc is a great way to get an inexpensive recorder of very good quality for your purposes and will not be out of date for at least 4 years.

The DSM-6(S)/EH or H is an excellent interview microphone and the Sony MZ-R30 or R50 can power the DSM directly without additional powering concerns.
URLs on my site to look at are:   
For microphones  http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm   
For Mic powering:   MOD-2/PA-x Mic Powering Page
For Ordering:   http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm

Reviews linked to the Home Page are also useful.  A few hundred media interviewers now use a DAT or MiniDisc with the DSM mic system with full appreciation of the quality and ease of field use.

Let me know of other questions you might have anytime.

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
======================

<< Subj: 
Date: 11/13/98 1:24:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: (Darrel)
To: guysonic@aol.com ('guysonic@aol.com')

Dear Sirs,
I am currently a sound tech for a local blues guitarist and do most of my
recording and sound work at a church where he is an associate pastor at. He
has always insisted to try to get the mix as as live as you can get. Well
you know what problems I run into there that is why I need a stereo
microphone of your caliber could you please send me a catalog with prices on
your mikes and products I would really appreciate it.
Thank You,
Darrell
   >>

Hello Darrell,

Thank you for expressing interest in the DSM recording system. 

The DSM mic method will give you the results almost impossible to achieve with any other means regardless of budget. 

I now have two mic baffles allowing the DSM process to be mounted on a mic stand for greater freedom, but you should 1st try the mics using a person worn method to best determine the best positioning and mix of all the acoustic elements in the ambient. 

The DSM-6S/EH or H would seem a good fit if working mostly with acoustic non-amplified sources. 
If amplified and relatively non-acoustic, then the DSM-6S/H or M may be better suited.

If you can access my web site, there is more info there than is practical to send via surface mail, but I can also send informative material
to your supplied address if browsing is not practical for you.

Look to the Mic chart at:   http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm  for more details and the mic powering page at:  MOD-2/PA-x Mic Powering Page   for DSM powering considerations. 

A portable TCD-D100 or PCM-M1 DAT deck is about as good as it gets for direct to two channel recorders in an all-in-one unit.

Please let me know about the need for surface mailing and any questions that arise from the information presented on either source.

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
===============

<< Subject: Good mic for sampling to MD in field?
From: (Zoo)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:21:09 -0500

I am getting a Sharp MD-MS702 Minidisc recorder to gather and archive
samples of sounds I hear every day
for incorporation into my sample library. They will be uploaded to an Akai
S5000. What is a good durable mic for
this purpose, something that costs less the recorder itself, (approx.
$350) and could hold up to outdoor use?

--
See my web page about me and my music at
http://www.geocities.com/
>>

Perfect application for the DSM microphones that's being extensively used with DAT and MD portables for this exact purpose and many other field sound requirements.  See the mic chart at:  http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm  for the models, but probably a DSM-6(S)/EH or H would work the best for general city type sound ambient work.

Also, read some of the reviews linked to the site's home page listed below.

Also See:   MOD-2/PA-x Mic Powering Page  for powering options, but if your MD is a Sony R30 or R50 and you don't record massively bassy rock music sounds, then just plugging into the Sony MD models would work very well without further considerations.

Best Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard & Debbie Lombardo
===================

<< Subj:  Mics
Date: 11/28/98 9:49:30 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: (GK)
To: guysonic@aol.com

Hi Leonard,

This is a long one, hopefully you're patient :)

I'm considering getting your mics or dare I say it, Len's mics.  I
currently have a sony D8 dat deck.  I'm interested in recording
Broadway musicals:  phantom,les miserables, miss saigon, rent, etc.
etc.  These shows are NOT high spl recordings.  What would you
recommend?

First off, let me tell you what I was thinking of buying from Len.
Core sound binaural (battery box) and the Zefiro Inbox.  The zefiro
inbox sounds very good just because it'll work well with my digital
only sound card.  The zefiro cost is no more than if I were to sell my
d8 and upgrade to an d100 or m1. 

Does the mod-2 make my D8 pre's sound almost as good as a d100/m1?
I'm asking because I'm wondering if I should upgrade to the d100.

What I really want to know is what is the best solution for my D8 in
the $600 price range (total). 

thanks

Glenn K
   >>
Hello Glenn,

If you can afford the upgrade, the TCD-D100 is by far a more practical choice with excellent preamplifier (for at least unbalanced mini-mic type inputs) and does contain a precision Dual 20 bit AKA Semi A to D convertor.  The D100 also has almost everything not so great about the D8 corrected in spades, and is much smaller and sturdier of transport.  D100 Powering is a consideration that is easily handled, but not nearly as straightforward as the D8 which can take simple alkaline cells for 4+ hours operation.  Talk to me about this when you decide......... I have the D100 with the mic powering upgrade in stock for only $825, but you can buy this via mailorder for a few dollars less and later send me just the deck for the $85 dollar MOD-2 upgrade anytime later.

The DSM-6S/EH, reduced to $450 for a little while more, is a very precision matched, extra high gain) model that seems the best match for doing mostly acoustic theater and moderate loud orchestral venues. 

Core doesn't seem to distinguish real precision matching or model sensitivity ....... that's a more customer specific requirement, other than rock level handling ability in their CSB models.  Maybe only upon special consideration, but I know from getting plenty of previous Core customers, you'd much happier in the long run with all the mechanical build, acoustic, specific sensitivity, ease of recorder setup, and recording quality benefits of the DSM product.
==========================

<< Subj:  advice
Date: 1/22/99 7:12:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: Darren
To: guysonic@aol.com

I am a fine artist working primarily with sound and space. I am
currently experimenting with recording the subtle ambient sound of
essentially 'silent' spaces for playback within a quiet gallery
environment. I am looking to upgrade the very basic equipment that I
have been using up until now. As I am recording the actual background
sound/ silence/noise that defines a space, (such as the gentle humming
of the lighting and ventilation systems in a museum), the type of
equipment that I use will affect the outcome and so it is crucial that
it is just right!

I do not have much in the way of technical knowledge regarding
microphones, playback and recording systems and so would appreciate some
advice as to what would best suit my purposes. Your DSMs look very
interesting and perhaps ideal for the sort of recording that I am
engaged in. I am unsure which would be the best system for me to use.
The important factor is that the self noise of the equipment is very low
and that it will record very subtle ambient sound. I will be recording
on to a Tascam DA-P1 portable DAT recorder.

If you could advise me as to whether your microphones would be suited to
my requirements, and if so what I would be best using, with any further
information that would be of use(including details of prices, shipping
and customs charges to the U.K.), I would be very grateful.

Many thanks,
Vicky P
____________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
   >>
Hello Vicky,

Thank you for expressing interest in our unique microphone systems and for providing details on your project and available recording equipment.

The DSM-1/H or M are very high sensitivity/low noise mic models and can be powered by the PA-10PFC adapter (with dual XLR output connectors) that's compatible for the DA-P1 deck doing the work you describe.  The DSM-1 mic models have excellent low noise performance for their small size.  The need to accurately capture the 'acoustic feeling' of any ambient space in a recording needs the use of very small sized precision matched omni type microphones placed on the two sides of persons head (or LiteGUY baffle) in the areas shown on my web site. 

This is an eloquent, easy, and very effective way to get the type of ambient recording you described as your main interest.

I see no problem with the above suggested DSM system for achieving your recording goals except for one area of consideration about the DA-P1 DAT deck itself. 

This is mostly an excellent deck, but earlier DA-P1 models have had one major problem with using any mic that is not a true balanced input type. 

Most DAT decks with balanced XLR mic inputs will accept both balanced and unbalanced mic inputs without need for concern (Unbalanced = pin 3 -signal internally connected with ground pin 1 on the mic's XLR connector).   

However, earlier production made DA-P1 model decks had an engineering ground-loop type flaw that only showed up when connecting an unbalanced type mic (like the DSM+PA-10PFC) where nearby AM radio stations could clearly be heard as interfering with the microphone audio.  Authorized Tascam technical service know to remedy this if your deck displays this characteristic.  If your DA-P1 is a recently manufactured model, chances are good there is no problem with using any type of microphone.

Also, when using the DSM + PA-10PFC system, it's very important that the '48 volt Phantom mic supply switch' be in the 'OFF' position when using the DSM microphone and for achieving  lowest noise performance.

I'm sorry about this technical consideration, but it's very important to both of us that you are extremely satisfied with using our microphones with your existing recorder(s) if you choose to purchase a system.
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<< Subj:  recording ambient sounds
Date: 1/5/00 12:25:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: Douglas
To: guysonic@aol.com

Hi-

I want to record ambient sounds in remote locations, where reliability
is very important and the ability to record low levels of sound is also necessary.
Before I buy one of your expensive microphones I have some questions:

(1) Is stereo recording any less sensitive than monaural?
         I am new to the field so my questions may sound stupid.
REPLY: Sensitivity is more a function of mic diaphragm size.  Larger is better for sensitivity and lower mic self-noise, but smaller is better for overall tonal accuracy and high frequency recording ability.

(2) I don't want to have to wear the mike.  I want to store the entire
         recording apparatus in a Pelican case for safe transportation.
         When I arrive at a suitable location, I want to open the case,
         position the microphone, and start recording
.
REPLY: DSM-1S/H $550 + Dual Layered Windsock WHB $165 + PCM-M1/M2 DAT deck $800 + BC-1 external DAT battery system $80 + LiteGUY HRTF Baffle $500.  You'll need to purchase a suitable folding portable mic stand $75-$150 from a supplier.  This is the system I'd recommend for the recording you've described.

(3) Is there any way to monitor what's being recorded in real time?
         I like the Sharp Minidisc recorder but can't tell whether it
         is possible to listen to what's being recorded through the
         headphones.

REPLY: You can monitor if keeping a distance from the microphone as to not record any sound coming out of the phones using any portable deck.

(4) What's the MTBF on the Sharp MS722?.  I plan on about 240 hours
         of recording and have no feeling for recorder reliability
.

REPLY: Although you may use the 722 MD, I would not recommend using any minidisc for ambient nature sounds as there is a subtle to very distinct alteration of recorded sounds (depends on the sound) due to the lossy compression used by these devices.  A DAT deck is more suitable for your purpose

(5) Will your DSM microphones work at low temperatures?

REPLY: Yes, as long as condensing moisture is not a factor; going from warm to cold can cause non damaging moisture to temporarily form on the diaphragm and dampen high frequency sound reception.  All decks are also sensitive to this.  Keeping all sensitive equipment sealed in a waterproof bag with moisture absorbing disiccant and allowing the sealed away equipment to arrive at the lower ambient working temperature before unsealing will greatly help to avoid this when working in the field.

Thanks in advance,
  Douglas McIntosh
   >>

Systems suitable for your requirements are better served by a DAT deck, headwearing the microphones for long periods while seated quietly or using the HRTF baffle mounted on a tripod stand as described above.  The windscreen is an absolute requirement as well as the ability to run the deck on external long lasting batteries.

Let me know if you're still interested in a system or have further questions.

Mic models suited to your music or sound recording tastes are listed at:   http://www.sonicstudios.com/dsm.htm

Powering & bass filter considerations are discussed at:   http://www.sonicstudios.com/pa_x.htm

General Ordering information is at:   http://www.sonicstudios.com/ordering.htm

http://www.sonicstudios.com/liteguy.htm  HRTF baffle

Regards in Sound & Music Recording,
Leonard Lombardo
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<< Subj:  Mic Advice
Date: 2/3/99 4:39:11 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: (Tim P)
To: guysonic@aol.com

Just checked out your web page from an internet cafe in NE Thailand.
A friend of mine bought one of your mikes for bootlegging, and I was
in shock at the quality of the recordings that it's capable of.  I
never heard any live stuff, but he just showed it to me in my room
while I played acoustic guitar quietly --- absolutely amazing
frequency response.

As a hobby I record folk insturments and hill-tribe festivals and
church choirs.  I've been using a cheapy Sony stereo mike that ran me
about $75 US in